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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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worldwide phenomenon

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast recording a breakdown as we

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enter the month of june 2022. dan joins

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me of course dan how are we i'm uh great

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thank you very much it's a little human

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in the uk today so we're looking a

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little shiny on camera but you know it's

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good i am and i am in the hot box as i

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said i i barely can breathe so if i pass

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out during this recording then i'll just

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take over and go on from there

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but speaking of hot off the press dan uh

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we have a right it's not a book i was

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going to say right off the bat it's not

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a book um you may have seen us post on

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social media yesterday we've been quite

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quiet about it because we don't show

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about stuff or i'll talk about it until

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these things are done i mean some of the

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things i could have mentioned this year

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dan that never happened you know yeah

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absolutely sad face tear down massive

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yes keep that one

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to guess about yeah you never know but

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anyway um what is happening is on the

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first of july you'll be able to buy from

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all good book sellers and some of the

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not so good ones and just general

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booksellers i don't know

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the skies above a guide to ufo sightings

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in the uk now like i said it's not a

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book some people got in touch with them

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are like oh the amazon listing says two

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pages you might want to correct that

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that is correct it is two pages i always

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done and i might write a pamphlet or a

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leaflet sometime and essentially that's

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what we've done um we've been working on

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this what for five months six months

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blester a small independent operation

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very independent um

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we uh he reached out to us and asked if

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we would collaborate on a basically a

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sightings guide for the uk and what

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you've got if you order this which so

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many of you have already which is

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amazing for some reason it's number two

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in the ufo charts on amazon and it's

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awesome thank you so much everyone yeah

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the ridiculous a map so it's a bit

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interactive about niche a bit quirky

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which i think suits us as well um

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no chance for writing a book and putting

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all that effort and we don't have time

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for that at the minute but what we've

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done was research around 40 just over 40

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cases that have happened in the uk some

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of them going back to the 1200s and more

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the 1900s and into the 2000s and you'll

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happened rendal shim calvin myself my

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own sightings dan's own sighting and a

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few others obviously in there as well it

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looks really cool it's a lovely little

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the map that folds out as it looks like

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an old newspaper article and it's split

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like you say 40 cases

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disappointed if your favorite case isn't

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in there um we haven't made this

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decisions of which were the most

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compelling ones and you'll find some

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cases mentioned in uh other cases as in

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high strangeness um especially when it

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comes to kind of places like west wales

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there's just a lot that you wouldn't be

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favorite isn't it don't panic uh it'll

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kind of be in the description somewhere

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the good news is my favorites and dan's

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favorites are in there because we wrote

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it so we got to pick those

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which was good um but no it was a lot a

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lot of fun to put together a lot of work

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at times uh like literally late nights

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and dan can you put this together and

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correcting things and going away and

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fixing little bits and pieces so

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hopefully you enjoy it um it's due out

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on the first of july so many of you have

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ordered already you can order from

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amazon of course um just for

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transparency to help out a small

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independent publisher it doesn't affect

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myself or dan we don't get any extra

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money or anything from it and we got

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like a small upfront fee and that was it

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which is lovely for us which was great

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and we don't make more money if you buy

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the books from any different sites

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however if you wait until monday the 6th

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of june and you can order direct from

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herb leicester dot com h e r b l e s t e

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r dot com the link will be in the

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description and they benefit more from

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that than big companies like amazon

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taking big chunks of the money and some

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of you have already reached out and

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asked how can i get a copy but not

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through amazon because they don't like

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the big company big corporate stuff and

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that's that's totally cool however you

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want to or can order it just getting a

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copy would be great and i think it's one

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of those things that's an ideal gift for

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someone with an interest in ufos yeah

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it's a little different isn't it like i

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it's i always love kind of the the idea

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of you know something just starting as a

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seed and then becoming a material thing

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that you can kind of hang and be

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satisfied with so i i can't wait to pop

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it up on on my wall and i'll be ordering

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from her blaster hopefully we'll have

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some um for the upcoming convention

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appearances as well um so you know you

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can find us there and hopefully pick up

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a copy yeah dan will be turning up in

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his new ferrari that he buys with the

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proceeds from the book the mini

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children's ones the ones did i say

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ferrari mega mega bus sorry yeah mega

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bus yeah that's it um but yeah hopefully

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black people to people who want to pick

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those up um but regardless however you

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can and pick it up and yeah it's cool it

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was a lot of fun to do and if this is a

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success which i think already looks like

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kind of 12 to 16 hours that's been out

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um we will be looking to do one for

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other parts of the world potentially so

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the world yeah for those who like me

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seeing world there you go um so yeah

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thank you very much so the sky's above a

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available to pre-order from the first or

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for the first of july so you can get

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that now from any sites but we'll put

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descriptions and information and if

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you're not sure how to get it or where

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to get it from if you just search for

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the skies above and even magrillin or

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zetterstrom you know easy to spell names

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and google it comes up with a whole host

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so there you go so thank you very much

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but on to the breakdown and the the news

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we've got to cover so i wanted to start

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off with a little bit of fallout from

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the ufo symposium last week very quick

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apology for me and talking about the

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symposium i said that tim taylor was

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was the tim taylor diana pasulka wrote

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general consensus to be fair as from all

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listeners and most folk online as it's

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the time total that's totally fair

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that surely those pilots would be able

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that they they would be at and you know

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what that feels like when you figure out

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there be something prosaic it's really

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them but of course there are going to be

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the the targeting reticule on the

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on screen the was kind of once you

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was kind of flapping too which obviously

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have wings um so it just leads to a

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bunch more debate like i say we need the

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raw video but for me this wasn't really

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it being an anomalous thing

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the debrief took this

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angle with it too that there is a lot of

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internally in the us government in their

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various departments that they're having

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trouble explaining and there needs to be

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a lot more cooperation and liaising with

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each other to figure this stuff out i

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thought that was the overall point of it

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security and it was the border patrol

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of the other videos that came out like

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rubber duck and such were from as well

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like generally drones filming drug runs

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things on camera and i don't feel the

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the debrief did hype this i think people

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confuse announcing with hyping um i'd be

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the first one to say about you know

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people hyping stuff but i i thought the

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debrief with if people read the article

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then they got the context like you say

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dan of why this was important and the

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the air force officer air force

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personnel that was on record anonymously

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and speaking about the incidents and

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incidents like this and other footage so

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for me it goes down as a bit of a hmm

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it's just one taking up file away in the

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folder more than likely something

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potentially project however

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there's still some questions around that

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no one can say for 100

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either way that that is a bird or not or

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three birds because yeah we don't have

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that information but it's perfectly fair

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to have that have that opinion i'm not

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claiming it's alien spacecraft or

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anything and such but

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it's very hard to identify what it is

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dave falch who has been on the podcast

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some time ago

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was part of that ufo symposium and he

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was presenting or his analysis was used

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to to talk about the video and other

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videos and he did go through and you can

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check out dave fulch's channel um again

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i'll put the link in description dan can

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you make a note of that for us so i

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don't forget and get into trouble off

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people um

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he he kind of went through it quite

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quickly and had said himself why it

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wasn't birds

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and why it wasn't bugs and certain other

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things and he he was quite happy that it

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was

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unexplainable for now so

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again they're someone who who genuinely

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knows what they're talking about in

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terms of analysis of a video so yeah um

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click one down in 10 words or less

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uh did this video help or hinder

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i think the presentation by some

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involved hindered uh no one from the

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debrief like you said that's more than

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10 i know we won't attend these like

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sidebars but i was like i was doing that

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as you spoke yeah really just yeah more

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than the fingers yeah

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i think this video

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hindered a little bit

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sorry andy

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how's that

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that's fine i'll take that so yeah no i

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i agree that

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people aren't going to leak really good

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genuine video footage to to normal

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members of the public

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like this to to to send out you know

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chris marlon's not getting a video and

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giving it to andy and dan from that ufo

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podcast to send out to the general

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public if he wants to he can but i just

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feel there's better ways to do it you

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know like i i 100 appreciate that um so

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yeah so for me

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it's one of those that i will always

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welcome anyone saying they've got

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footage to drop but i will take it with

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a massive pinch of salt i'll have a look

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at it think about it look at it again

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and then make up my mind but almost

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always it's likely to fall into that

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category of

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ah could be anything so yeah yeah

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we're looking at like this big pile of

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stuff now throughout history i i think

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even if they proved this video was

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something anomalous

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it would

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well i mean that would help but

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there's no one video that's going to

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shift this you know when we're

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explaining this to officials and stuff

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like that one video isn't going to do it

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at least from what we've seen so i i

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don't think that being released publicly

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is is going to help too much you know

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one 23-minute video mate but anyway

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that's that's one event that's happened

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and one that is happening as we speak

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this weekend uh between the third and

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fifth of june dan is correctly noted

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down is the scu sponsored event

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anomalous aerospace phenomena conference

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aapc 2022 i spoke to rich hoffman about

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this a few weeks ago on the podcast as

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well um keynote speakers daniel noted

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down ryan graves is discussing how the

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u.s government might increase to

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investigate investigatory power behind

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uap

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and there's a whole host of interesting

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names out there already as well i know

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gary verrhas was travelling eric davis

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was traveling i think a lot of the

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names and ufos are putting their

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pictures and faces up on on twitter and

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meeting greets and all that kind of

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stuff looks a lot of fun

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for people who are there as well so

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these events are happening sort of more

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and more and what's really interesting

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for me regarding these events is i think

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more and more we're seeing

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ancient aliens types events

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like awakening in blackpool that we're

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going to attend we're not part of it you

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know we're just we're there

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and i'm going to be speaking to steve

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mehra about that on monday and that type

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of event but then you've got a very

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different type of event that happens

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almost totally separately like scus

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or

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the events in san marino

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um the galileo project has one in august

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its first annual hopefully um event as

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well where you have a real focus on the

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science

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and the data and that's the presentation

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it's not

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necessarily people talking about their

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their latest books or you know any maps

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they've got for sale that are number two

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in the amazon charts in the uk joe

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but do you know it's that real split

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between we've got people really looking

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at this now and you can attend events

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and watch events and buy tickets to hear

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data and real scientific discussion or

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you can and it's totally fine you can

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look at that speculative side and you

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know

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what is the black knight satellite and

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are palladian

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beings interfering with our genetic code

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for the last 5 000 years and starseeds

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and all that kind of stuff if that's

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what you like so i think it's a great

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time in terms of what people can reach

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out and see if you're if you're into

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that

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real factual data driven side of things

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it looks like it's a real golden age

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coming up for that because we've got

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mainstream science and scientists really

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now on board with the subject which for

436
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me can only be a good thing and give

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people give people choice and options as

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well yeah 100

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we're going to be seeing a lot more

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public efforts kind of coming out over

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the next few years uh ryan graves is

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heading up um uh a kind of

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what was the event called the the

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american i think aeronautics aviation

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association it was something like that

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there were a lot of a's i remember um

447
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but basically ryan graves is one of the

448
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pilots that encountered these things

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he's going to be there presenting all of

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his data and how we can kind of

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shore up air safety because that's the

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angle that we're talking about this from

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uh and and like you said we're going to

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start seeing a lot of

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a lot of faces talking about this

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seriously after the hearings ryan was

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mobbed in the halls of congress by biola

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press so

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if you're looking at this subject in a

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serious manner i i'd suggest following

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people like ryan following events like

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this and just seeing where the data

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takes us

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here's a question dan right and if this

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has just came to me and i'd be

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interested to hear what listeners think

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on this one as well so

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reach out via any of the means social

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media email whatever if you want to give

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us your thoughts on this i'd be i'd be

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intrigued

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we saw recently that

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uapx a data-driven organization

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looking to do the kind of scientific

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groundwork or on uap

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joined up with

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caroline corey and her presente her

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presentation and her style of discussing

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the ufo subject and there seemed to be a

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real clash of personalities and culture

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and just generally the subject kind of

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came to heads within one documentary and

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i think we saw that in the end result

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how it was two different things that

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weren't quite working together

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looking at the different types of

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conferences if you look at like and

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again it's one that's there just now so

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you get any kind of disclosure

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conferences that jimmy church and cole

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will head up you know in the us um

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or awakening that's happening in

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blackpool with the ancient aliens crew

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that are a massive and that's not

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derogatory as general it's an ancient

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aliens based

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based expo folks if you haven't seen

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this

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do those organizations and expose have a

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place together would the scu type event

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you know the aapc

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have a place in with giorgio sucalis and

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eric von daniken and co or do they have

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for me i wish

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the one events i think over time are

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going to start steamrollering the other

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ones as we get more data there will be

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less speculation that's just how it's

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going to go and and when you kind of

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start getting to that place of last

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speculation it kind of starts putting

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bumpers on the conversation

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we can look at them as two different

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spaces though and kind of go ones for

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speculation and ones for hard science

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but i think that speculation needs to

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kind of intermingle with the hard

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science so there it has you know it has

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a direction so it's relevant so we're

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not just

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essentially telling sci-fi stories to

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each other

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i think someone has to meme this but i

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think you know bill uh bill pullman an

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independence day when he's talking to

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the alien who has a scientist by the

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neck who plays brent smayner uh

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uh brent spain knows his name plays data

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sorry in star trek and he asks can there

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be peace between our worlds and the

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aliens like no peace and that just seems

532
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to me right now the two organizations

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like you know can we get along no

534
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two very different sides of the coin but

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yeah that just came to mind so i'd be

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interested to see what people think you

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know could you have an event with real

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serious mainstream scientists on one

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side but you know across the hall people

540
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talking about the origins of the black

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knight satellite and you know what's

542
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going on in antarctica and

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again palladian beings and loving light

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starseed stuff like

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do those have to be kept separate it's

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probably an interesting conversation

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i can tell you right now that i would i

548
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:57,440
would pay good good money to go to a uap

549
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:58,960
event where they talked about hard data

550
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:01,360
but also mixed in scientists that are

551
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,200
uncovering gobekli tapi and all of those

552
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,280
kind of ancient civilization stuff and

553
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:06,960
you know it started drawing the story of

554
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,679
our mysterious world together yeah maybe

555
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,960
if it was done right i'm thinking that

556
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:13,520
ufo podcast the expo would be something

557
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,000
like that yeah yeah i was so close

558
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:17,840
anyway um

559
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:19,120
dan

560
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:21,679
ross coltar on jimmy church now i

561
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,400
watched this the other day um

562
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,600
shout out to mr church for uh his his

563
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:29,919
interview with ross ross loves a long

564
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,000
form answer doesn't he there were there

565
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,679
were some doozies and they're my

566
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,360
favorite being at one point when jimmy

567
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:36,960
said ross i have to go to an advert in

568
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,280
15 seconds ross acknowledged this and

569
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:42,080
spoke for one more minute um but yeah

570
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,120
there was there was some real

571
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,720
interesting yeah there were some real

572
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,559
interesting talking points uh ross

573
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,120
brought up he says um again people he's

574
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,600
spoken to sources have mentioned in

575
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,440
their skiffs you know

576
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,960
these these meetings are having these

577
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:56,960
briefs that they're seeing videos that

578
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,000
are changing their world view um then

579
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,000
goes on to talk about the 23-minute

580
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,919
video which apparently we've heard all

581
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,480
about shows is it hd

582
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,120
and shows clear structured craft it's

583
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,120
detected on multiple sensors and it's

584
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,960
clearly a piece of technology this isn't

585
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:14,880
you know ball lightning or an orb it's

586
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,000
something very much some things that are

587
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,880
very much craft and sounds like if it

588
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,640
was shown to people they do have these

589
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,480
smoking gun videos

590
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,720
that really would put some arguments not

591
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,039
all arguments but some arguments to bed

592
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,200
what did you think on the the ross um

593
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,120
ross coulthard interview on jimmy church

594
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,039
i really enjoyed it the the stuff that

595
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,720
he speaks about that really interests me

596
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:39,120
is when he was talking about

597
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,640
objects being tracked coming in and out

598
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,400
of the water off the coast of florida

599
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:43,600
because we know that those kind of

600
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,080
continental shelves are a place of

601
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,520
a lot of activity they're almost hot

602
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:51,280
spots and and

603
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,640
there's a possibility these things are

604
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,720
coming from deep ocean and the reason we

605
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,159
see them near the continental shelves is

606
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,080
just less because where they come up

607
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,679
but i would love to see that underwater

608
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:01,679
data we're just never going to because

609
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,000
anything to do with the us's underwater

610
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,280
detection systems is to do with

611
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,120
submarines and then you get into just

612
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,200
it's all classified

613
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,360
that is true and it's it's a cliche but

614
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,280
we know so little about under our own

615
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,280
oceans and we know much more about space

616
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,880
don't we than what we do under what's

617
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,320
under the water and

618
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,799
how things work and just as you dive

619
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,000
into the earth

620
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,880
are these objects using lava tunnels and

621
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,120
tubes and what is underground and

622
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,960
you know even if they're empty and drone

623
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,480
technology are they being kept

624
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,000
underneath the water because it's a safe

625
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,159
place to store them it's a really

626
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,320
interesting conversation um

627
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,760
and more and more people like ross are

628
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:39,200
bringing these conversations to the

629
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,320
forefront

630
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,000
ross talks about people having died and

631
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,559
disappeared in engagements with uaps

632
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,600
brings up malmstrom and i liked his

633
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:50,000
phrasing of always consider a stuff-up

634
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,360
before a cover-up

635
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:53,760
and very much going down the ineptitude

636
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,320
route and you know that people

637
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,840
within government people talk about oh

638
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,600
the government cover things up and know

639
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,880
the government are thousands of

640
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,440
different organizations and offices and

641
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,039
human beings at the end of the day that

642
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,480
regardless of how

643
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,320
nasty and bad and evil people may

644
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,480
perceive them or think they are there

645
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,640
probably is just a lot more incompetence

646
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,720
than anything else goes on

647
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,640
at the root of all these different

648
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,280
conversations not just the ufo topic but

649
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,360
any kind of topic and that's probably

650
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:23,120
just as scary if not more scary than

651
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,400
some of the truth that may eventually

652
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,799
come out um so that that was pretty

653
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,400
interesting that ross says very much

654
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,400
people who have spoken to have went with

655
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,400
you know what there's a lot of cover-ups

656
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:33,919
happen but you know a lot of this is

657
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,880
just down to people's own

658
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,960
inability to efficiently manage

659
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,120
situations look at roswell where it was

660
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,720
announced they'd found the us an alien

661
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,360
spacecraft or ufo and then the next day

662
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,200
actually saw it so weatherblind

663
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,480
there was no there was no process there

664
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,919
was no protocol for for what they'd

665
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,360
found and what they'd done and had to

666
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,679
make it up on the spot um

667
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,919
ross coltar says a friend of his uh he

668
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,000
gives the pseudonym the spaceman was

669
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,159
friends with edgar mitchell and they

670
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,080
were talking about the wilson documents

671
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,159
for a while and they said um admiral

672
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,240
thomas wilson had found a secret program

673
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,400
in the us government that was back

674
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,960
engineering alien spacecraft so ross

675
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,640
kilter i think is someone that if you

676
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,159
have your eggs in the ross cool tart

677
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,480
basket and you believe ross and his

678
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,960
sources and methods then you can kind of

679
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,480
take that one to the bank then he's got

680
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,240
a source saying yeah admiral wilson did

681
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,919
indeed discuss this and

682
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,360
ross coulthard very much believes the

683
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,360
documents themselves are

684
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,919
are 100 genuine and real and do document

685
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,360
the conversation

686
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,280
that they they think

687
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,559
i think we've talked about this before

688
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,159
dan and i don't want to announce too

689
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,840
much um

690
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,080
but coming up i'll have a bit of a

691
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,320
discussion on the wilson docks nothing

692
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,919
major folks it's not chris miller tommed

693
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,279
along coming on before folks got all

694
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,279
excited but um i'm gonna be having a

695
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,799
little discussion with someone on those

696
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,159
documents and doing a little bit of a

697
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,480
deep dive and background into it

698
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,240
what what again dan do you think on the

699
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,320
wilson davis memo as it's now being

700
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,840
entered into records within those

701
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,840
hearings i'm i'm really curious where

702
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,440
this is going to go because the right

703
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,559
people have it who can check it now

704
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,400
before we we all kind of came up against

705
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,559
walls you know we we had a denial from

706
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,520
wilson in in several instances we had

707
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,200
some kind of little seeds that wilson

708
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,799
might have been lying and

709
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,799
maybe knew or that you know these

710
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,880
documents go back a long time richard

711
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,080
dolan

712
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,720
even said that he knows for a fact that

713
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,880
hal putoff can vouch for them and he

714
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:27,120
said this on a live stream so there's a

715
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,320
there's a bit of history to these

716
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,000
documents through a lot of

717
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,000
uh you know well-respected people in the

718
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,039
ufo world so it it's clear that

719
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,960
this is kind of being revealed after

720
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:38,880
years of many many people having these

721
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:42,960
documents already so i'm excited to see

722
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,080
how that chain of custody was maintained

723
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,000
because i just think that we're going to

724
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,760
be surprised when we see that certain

725
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,159
other people have had access to these i

726
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,480
i'd be very surprised if um you know

727
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,400
people like chris mellon hadn't read the

728
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,720
wilson documents for instance and and

729
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,440
that kind of would play into these

730
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,360
articles that he's writing where he's

731
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,960
directing attention to certain places

732
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,080
you know i won't say too much because

733
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,159
we're going to talk about that in a bit

734
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,440
you um

735
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,039
you make it you make a good point now

736
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,720
and again dan um

737
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,000
you made something you said made me

738
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,000
think there that the the people who now

739
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,600
have these documents or at least that

740
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,559
the documents are entered into the the

741
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:23,120
public uh domain congressional record

742
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:24,320
congressional record that was the one

743
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,360
sorry

744
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,039
all it takes now is like the

745
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,600
representatives like mike gallagher and

746
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,559
you know

747
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,960
andre carson and these folks they don't

748
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,480
necessarily have to come out and tell

749
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,760
the public you know these are definitely

750
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,679
real because we've found out but like

751
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,520
you say they know the right people that

752
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,039
they can go and ask

753
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,600
in a secure setting and say look these

754
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,799
documents i need to know is this correct

755
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,159
and and they could just get the nod

756
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,440
couldn't they they they might not get

757
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,960
any more information than that i mean

758
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,640
essentially just yeah you know what go

759
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,799
for yeah you're right yeah they might

760
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,240
get the same treatment that wilson

761
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,760
himself is said to have gotten when he

762
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,760
went hunted for the program which i

763
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,520
imagine if you know gallagher has the

764
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,679
slow down door slammed in his face i

765
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,360
can't imagine he's gonna back down and

766
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,679
go okay that's fine then he's he's gonna

767
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,360
come out swinging publicly and pointing

768
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,600
i think you know if tom delong could

769
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,880
talk about all those different stuff

770
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,799
pipes he was finding and you know not

771
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,240
knocking down all those doors and i'm

772
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,559
sure someone an elected official and

773
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,720
mike gallagher and or anyone who's who

774
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,720
wants to go knocking on those doors has

775
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,640
a lot more chance of finding out more

776
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,000
information even

777
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,679
along absolutely and these are the

778
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,279
people who are supposedly right in the

779
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,520
immunity language as alluded to by gary

780
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,279
nolan so

781
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,559
they know the people that they need to

782
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,320
get into those halls they know the

783
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,000
people they need to testify they know

784
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,679
the laws they need to make to get those

785
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:40,640
people

786
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,120
chance of coming to testify so i'm i'm

787
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,720
hoping that that's where we see it go

788
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,679
now

789
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,440
just before because it's probably if a

790
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,480
good point we're going to talk about

791
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,159
that immunity language briefly anyway

792
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:54,080
with gary nolan but just before we do

793
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:55,120
one last thing that was really

794
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,559
interesting and i would encourage folks

795
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,799
to check out fade to black um especially

796
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,799
this interview with uh jimmy church and

797
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,120
ross coulthard and ross does most of the

798
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,720
talking as he tends to do on those

799
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,120
interviews and

800
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,000
the ross says that they know the signals

801
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,679
that allow them to track and protect

802
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,679
where these things have are going to be

803
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,760
and have done for decades

804
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,039
so again

805
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,200
i wonder that again when they send out

806
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,279
the nimitz and princeton in that fleet

807
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,440
to go and do their their

808
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,000
no doubt planned

809
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,679
training exercises

810
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,720
do they

811
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,039
have an eye on what may or may not turn

812
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,200
up because they're expecting these

813
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,559
things to turn up and that's not to say

814
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,200
the people within the exercise do but

815
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,960
those watching the exercise those that

816
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,960
are aware of it people monitoring you

817
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,679
know nuclear ballistic missile

818
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,080
bases are up and down the coast are they

819
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,440
told look we've got some stuff going on

820
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,200
out here let's just keep an eye on the

821
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,720
keep an eye on the radar keep an eye on

822
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,960
this keep an eye on this system because

823
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,480
we may see some

824
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,559
i don't know some bulkies as they say in

825
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:58,080
the movie i don't know absolutely it

826
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,440
doesn't matter if it's china if it's

827
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,520
russia if it's something from space

828
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,520
these things would be tracked they'd

829
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,200
keep an eye on them like jeremy corbell

830
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,399
pointed out in a great video he brought

831
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,919
up yesterday they said that they think

832
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,440
they're drones they didn't say who they

833
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,960
think they belong to so who are the

834
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,120
controllers there there's such a lack of

835
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,120
answers here where we need answers to be

836
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,720
a bit more secure

837
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,960
and and yeah

838
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,240
a couple of things probably tie in quite

839
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,840
nicely then dan actually you've

840
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,679
mentioned again jeremy corbell statement

841
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,440
and and chris mellon said something very

842
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,480
similar

843
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,000
again before we get to that let's talk

844
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,159
about that immunity language gary nolan

845
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,480
speaking to vinnie on disclosure team

846
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:34,799
podcast recently as well um

847
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,360
it mentioned this that essentially

848
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,360
he is working on

849
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,880
well you can probably explain it better

850
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,159
than i can i've not managed to catch

851
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,480
gary yet on on vinnie's podcast but

852
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:45,760
what's been happening in terms of this

853
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,200
language basically gary gary i mean he i

854
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,120
think he did it on on when you spoke to

855
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:52,799
him too it cleared up the difference

856
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,760
between immunity and amnesty amnesty

857
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,600
yeah and and basically we need immunity

858
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,120
we need to be able to say to these

859
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,240
officials you know hey you can speak

860
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,320
outside the bounds of your nda without

861
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,600
fearing that we're going to throw you in

862
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,720
jail

863
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,960
there's also been some talk around

864
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,240
you know that you need to kind of

865
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,679
sweeten the part to get these people to

866
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,520
talk but at the same time you need to

867
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,600
draw a line and kind of say after this

868
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,520
date if you don't talk we're coming for

869
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,240
you you know that kind of thing so

870
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,760
that that language is being finished up

871
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,279
i'm sure we'll see it in the next set of

872
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,799
legislation

873
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,640
hopefully that sooner rather than later

874
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,960
but like gary said it is being worked on

875
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,399
so this is going to be a possibility

876
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,559
going forward that we might see some

877
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,080
people that work with lou coming forward

878
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,480
to talk we might see you know we we have

879
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,600
people coming out the woodwork all the

880
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,279
time recently we had jay stratton kind

881
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,520
of named and so he had a heavy

882
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,880
involvement maybe he would have spoken

883
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,039
sooner if he had immunity you know i

884
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,480
think it's a great thing

885
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,919
yeah it's kind of opening the door a

886
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:49,120
little bit and saying to folk you know

887
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,559
if you want to come at the party feel

888
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:52,240
free to come in now but the door's going

889
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:53,360
to close at some point and you're no

890
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,399
longer welcome

891
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,240
yep but you won't like the after party

892
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,440
that's that's where they're going to go

893
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,000
in with them chris mellon had an article

894
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,240
upon the hill and he mentioned

895
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,840
essentially that after the hearings he

896
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,840
was disappointed i know myself and i

897
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,440
think yourself dan we were more positive

898
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,120
about the outcome of the hearings

899
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,559
because there was some interesting

900
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,399
languages some of the questions i found

901
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,559
were interesting as well a couple of

902
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,840
those um

903
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,399
representatives made themselves you know

904
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,919
come across very well and knowledgeable

905
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,840
on the subject too even if they were

906
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,120
just given a list of the questions to

907
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,279
ask by other people and chris mellon

908
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,720
himself said that there were several key

909
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,039
points that could have been addressed

910
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,120
but were not essentially addressed

911
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,200
however it was progress nonetheless

912
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,039
ultimately it was his his main thing

913
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,640
from the article and he expects more

914
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,080
hearings to happen soon or it could

915
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,320
happen soon you mentioned jeremy corbell

916
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,760
talking about one of the points that

917
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,200
chris miller made too

918
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,200
was regarding these drones

919
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,360
and the idea that yeah

920
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,720
there were there were drones that there

921
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,159
were buzz in the russell and the omaha

922
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,159
and these other ships

923
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,240
but whose drones did you find out they

924
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,520
were russian did you find out they were

925
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,559
chinese

926
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,640
um i think one of the big things at the

927
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,880
minute and not to get political but the

928
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,480
the war in ukraine has shown that the

929
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,200
russian arsenal for weapons is depleted

930
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,360
and nowhere near as

931
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,200
outstanding as people thought it could

932
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,960
be that's not to say they don't have

933
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,480
some impressive technology in drones

934
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:13,919
that maybe just aren't for the purpose

935
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,559
of fighting a war but for that kind of

936
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,880
espionage and you know spying

937
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,559
i'm sure the u.s china russia and other

938
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,399
countries have some fantastic pieces of

939
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,559
equipment however chris melon again

940
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,399
brings up have you addressed that if

941
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,919
these are an adversarial technology

942
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,600
how are they loitering and how are they

943
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,120
in the area for as long as they are and

944
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,399
how are they doing the things they are

945
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,080
doing for as long as they are and i'm

946
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,840
sure chris melons talking from a place

947
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,640
of

948
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,799
being aware probably what the us has in

949
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,640
terms of that technology probably are we

950
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,960
are 20 years ago or 30 years ago of what

951
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,559
the us was working on in terms of that

952
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,720
technology because that was his job and

953
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:50,640
where it would be now and chris mellon's

954
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,360
looking going that doesn't fit

955
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,960
the timeline of where the technology

956
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,960
should be so where have they got this

957
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,840
from

958
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,519
and i think that's chris mellon's point

959
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:01,279
that we're not saying that these are

960
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,159
again

961
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,320
non-human entities or you know alien

962
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,919
spacecraft or whatever but they

963
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,320
certainly don't seem to fit the mold of

964
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,240
what we would expect from our own let

965
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,559
alone adversarial technology yeah

966
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:14,320
yeah this is the thing about this kind

967
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,039
of

968
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,519
centrist uap position that we take so to

969
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,720
speak you know that we're not in the

970
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,919
extremes we're not kind of seeing the

971
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,039
light in the sky and going they're

972
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,960
pleiadians we're not seeing a light in

973
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,720
the sky and going everyone's an idiot

974
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,640
it's a plane or a satellite we're

975
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,840
squealing in the middle where we want

976
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,760
the data to lead the conversation and i

977
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,279
know that kind of annoys some people but

978
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,880
that's where we are that's what we have

979
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:34,320
we've had decades of talking about

980
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,279
stories and looking at grainy

981
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,200
photographs and things like that now we

982
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,600
need something more robust and as our

983
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,600
kind of species is growing up and

984
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,000
starting to look outwards um we'll talk

985
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,640
about that in a little bit but

986
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,080
it seems that the conversation is

987
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:49,679
shifting to

988
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,880
the questions as opposed to just the

989
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,559
being satisfied with it's drones like

990
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,960
you said who's drones sure it might not

991
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,559
be russian but

992
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,519
if

993
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,799
a group of people in russia found

994
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,120
something 50 years ago they could easily

995
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,960
have you know be a group of 10

996
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,720
scientists that have their essentially

997
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,080
own breakaway civilization and

998
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,240
technically it's still russian so we

999
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,600
kind of need to keep all these things on

1000
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,519
the table until we figure them out but

1001
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,960
for now it's clear that these are

1002
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,440
devices of unknown origin and that's

1003
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,120
worth investigating

1004
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,880
100 yeah

1005
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,200
then from the database to the slightly

1006
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,519
more speculative however nonetheless

1007
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,360
we've got some data on it and you

1008
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,640
mentioned a while back you were going to

1009
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,559
be partaking in simeon heinz remote

1010
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,960
viewing course and you have you have

1011
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,039
done said course or doing said course

1012
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,960
aren't you uh i had some results

1013
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,440
finished now okay yeah finished so so we

1014
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,039
did five classes over five weeks there

1015
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,480
were participants from all around the

1016
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,840
world thank you so much for simeon for

1017
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,360
having me come along everyone was

1018
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,120
wonderful and supportive and

1019
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,880
compassionate and it's really nice to

1020
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,440
find a group of introspective people uh

1021
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,640
because we always talk to each other a

1022
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,200
little bit differently um so yeah we we

1023
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,799
got to do

1024
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,240
a class on kind of essentially the

1025
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,440
history of avi and essentially and

1026
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,200
actually practicing it and being taught

1027
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,039
the practice of it which was controlled

1028
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:07,279
remote view in a resonant remote viewing

1029
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,639
they need slightly different things but

1030
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,159
basically depending on where you study

1031
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,480
it you get a different technique and it

1032
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,159
was very surprising to me we'll do a

1033
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,440
deeper dive on this because i think it's

1034
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,720
worth talking about yes there are a lot

1035
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,280
of misconceptions but it is not

1036
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,280
telepathy you are not sat there you do

1037
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,839
not get you know movies in your head the

1038
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,440
the people who talk about

1039
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,280
these kind of things like ingo swan they

1040
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,359
were the rock stars of this they they

1041
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,800
were the people like usain bolt that

1042
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,399
were just born to do the thing that

1043
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,720
they're doing for the rest of us it

1044
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,000
takes work

1045
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,560
but i would highly recommend doing it

1046
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,320
because the thing that surprised me was

1047
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,599
how much it helped with kind of

1048
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,560
mindfulness and mental health listening

1049
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,560
to that very quiet voice in your head

1050
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,679
and by that i don't mean the

1051
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,520
subconscious you kind of go deeper than

1052
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,359
that it's like listening to you know

1053
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,800
imagine you're a football match and

1054
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,320
there's one person saying something you

1055
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,839
want to hear but they're on the other

1056
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,760
side of the the pitch to you and you're

1057
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,119
trying to zero in on it and it just

1058
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:01,680
takes practice and and a little patience

1059
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,480
but

1060
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,960
there were some amazing results uh some

1061
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,599
some to do with uh layers of age at one

1062
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,040
point i had a sense of layers of age and

1063
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,800
i wrote down there it was a tree because

1064
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,599
i kind of had a sense of of wood but it

1065
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,440
turned out that it was a bit of wood

1066
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,000
kind of set against a cliff face that

1067
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,560
had the layers of aged so this is where

1068
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,720
i mean when i say that you can be

1069
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,200
wrong whilst being correct

1070
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,200
it's not as easy as you know what's in

1071
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,560
the drawer i'd hidden something in there

1072
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,640
tell me there's a lot to discuss and

1073
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,680
that's why they kind of stick with

1074
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,839
adjectives well we'll talk through the

1075
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,880
kind of

1076
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,480
the phase work and stuff like that when

1077
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,400
we talk about it more but for now i'd

1078
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,040
say if you're practicing rvian

1079
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,040
a few tips would be that anything that

1080
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,720
comes into your head after three seconds

1081
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,800
after the prompt throw away that's your

1082
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,400
brain thinking that's a that's an

1083
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,160
overlay you know that's gonna be stuff

1084
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,680
like

1085
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,440
if i get a sense of something round my

1086
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,040
brain's gonna start going it's a tire

1087
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:57,119
it's a globe it's you know anything

1088
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,560
circular is going to try and fill that

1089
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,320
in so just throw that away it's more

1090
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,640
like automatic writing than it is like

1091
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,880
consciously drawing you know i do art so

1092
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,400
i i kind of you know realized the

1093
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,480
difference a lot closer to automatic

1094
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:11,359
writing um and yeah my mindfulness and

1095
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,560
kind of a lot of synchronicity comes

1096
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,000
from it it's very interesting i would

1097
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,760
highly recommend people take it even if

1098
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,599
you don't think it's going to give you

1099
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:20,240
access to remote viewing

1100
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:24,000
powers i'll put in or abilities um

1101
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,359
it's well worth doing just to get to

1102
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,520
know yourself a little bit more

1103
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,520
awesome can you put down that we'll put

1104
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,400
the link for some simeon's um

1105
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,079
course in there and again if you want to

1106
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:35,920
get in touch for anyone that wants to

1107
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,280
kind of have a look at that it is

1108
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,000
virtualviewing.org but the link will be

1109
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,359
in the description

1110
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,720
and check out the interviews i've done

1111
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,400
with some there's a few of them now from

1112
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,000
the last two years on the podcast and

1113
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,760
he's a great guy really good to speak to

1114
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,440
really interesting and there's some

1115
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,480
other remote viewers have been on the

1116
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,160
podcast as well if you're interested in

1117
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,000
that topic um yeah we'll do that deep

1118
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,760
dive anyway to cover that for folks but

1119
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,839
again thanks for to sim for for letting

1120
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,440
dan go along and take part in the course

1121
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,200
and i i know like i said dan said there

1122
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,720
but speaking to myself about it has

1123
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,440
found it really useful so awesome a

1124
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,200
couple of things to finish up with dan

1125
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,920
uh james webb on the 12th of july i

1126
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,400
believe we are expecting our first full

1127
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,240
color pictures

1128
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,160
and what to expect we've already had

1129
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:17,839
some pretty startling and astonishing

1130
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,560
images from the the calibrations and the

1131
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,320
alignments of the mirrors where they've

1132
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,200
just got clearer and clearer and we're

1133
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,359
now going to get those i mean the base

1134
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,880
of the telescope's been pointing at an

1135
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:30,079
area of space hasn't it as it's

1136
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,200
travelled out

1137
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,960
and we're going to get all that

1138
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,200
information gathered together and

1139
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,280
get what can we expect to see like are

1140
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,960
we talking about you know that famous

1141
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,880
hubble deep field image

1142
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,119
are we talking that level of picture

1143
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,280
exactly so one there are a couple of

1144
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,359
things we could see first it's either

1145
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,040
going to be the hubble deep field image

1146
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,359
but james webb telescope's equivalent or

1147
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,640
it's going to be some data from

1148
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,200
trappist-1 now trappist-1 is really

1149
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,680
interesting because it's it's kind of a

1150
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,720
colder star smaller star than our sun

1151
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,160
but it has a whole bunch of planets

1152
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,760
around it they're in the goldilocks zone

1153
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,359
that could have a life so we're going to

1154
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:08,400
be looking towards that solar system to

1155
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,280
try and get a little bit more

1156
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,200
information about the atmosphere of all

1157
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,800
of those different planets and it'll

1158
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,800
help us kind of narrow down where we

1159
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,359
think life is possible because the

1160
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:19,280
similar conditions to here so there

1161
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,480
should be water there there should be

1162
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,160
various other things there we're not

1163
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,520
going to get a zoom in on the surface

1164
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:24,560
because that's just not what this

1165
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
telescope does but you know we'll see

1166
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,040
an immense amount of detail

1167
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,040
uh chemically

1168
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,440
that we just haven't seen before with

1169
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,200
with the hubble deep field image just to

1170
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:39,599
set expectations remember that the james

1171
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,680
webb telescope can't see space dust it

1172
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,839
sees through it so when we're looking at

1173
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,359
things like the pillars of creation and

1174
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:47,119
thinking of images from space like that

1175
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,400
the james book telescope literally

1176
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,599
wouldn't be able to see that it would

1177
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,520
just see the stars there giving off the

1178
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,119
infrared and various things like that

1179
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,079
but yeah we have 38 days to go um

1180
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,440
depending on your time zone and when you

1181
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,440
listen to this but like you say july

1182
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,800
12th is when we'll see those first

1183
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,560
images and i i fully expect to be

1184
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,160
overwhelmed and staring at the screen

1185
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,880
yelling oh my god it's full of stars

1186
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,960
yeah it's it's an interesting one very

1187
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,400
much looking forward to what comes out

1188
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,440
from that and what the the

1189
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,119
the james webb is going to be capable of

1190
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,440
going forward as well i think the early

1191
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,880
indications have been that it has

1192
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,880
outperformed all expectations hasn't it

1193
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,119
and even in those calibrations they they

1194
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:24,880
weren't expecting it to go as well as it

1195
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,950
we won't see the results of whether

1196
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,440
there is the potential to harbor life

1197
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,000
from trappist 1 until about 2024. so

1198
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,839
this really is just hey look at the

1199
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,359
pretty picture folks it's not going to

1200
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,680
be a lot of scientific conversation but

1201
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,520
like we saw with the calibration image

1202
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,119
it was so good that it generated

1203
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,119
peer-reviewed papers so we'll probably

1204
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,800
get that from it but just wait for the

1205
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,480
pretty picture basically

1206
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,720
awesome and just finishing up dan a

1207
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,640
little bit on geomagnetic atmospheric

1208
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,800
sound phenomenon which everyone is

1209
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,079
familiar with

1210
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,440
so this is really interesting i only

1211
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,119
discovered it this week it's been around

1212
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,480
for ages they used to call it the aurora

1213
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,119
sound phenomenon and there were a lot of

1214
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,839
reports of people hearing sounds from

1215
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,319
the atmosphere in the air when they saw

1216
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,960
the northern lights

1217
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,640
there was something in the paper that i

1218
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,560
thought that made me feel that i should

1219
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:21,280
bring it up here because it's relevant

1220
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,560
so this week

1221
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,119
they have confirmed that they exist that

1222
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,680
they're nothing to do with the aurora

1223
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,480
that actually it's uh the geomagnetic

1224
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,599
kind of

1225
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,520
effects on the planet's atmosphere that

1226
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,520
generate these sounds so it makes me

1227
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,960
think of you know the trumpet sounds

1228
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,920
that you can watch on youtube and uh

1229
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,520
people think that it's the biblical kind

1230
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,960
of you know revelations and then

1231
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,880
actually we've now learned that you can

1232
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,440
just get sound generated in the air but

1233
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,839
what what they said a while back uh and

1234
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,440
this is a direct quote from the paper

1235
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,520
that many geophysicists from around the

1236
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,880
globe would fix their opinion and

1237
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,960
there's a few quotes aural sounds are

1238
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,440
illusions they are physically impossible

1239
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,720
does this sound like anything else to

1240
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,920
you

1241
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,680
physically impossible it's an illusion

1242
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,680
and they've just proved that it exists

1243
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,119
for any scientists that are listening to

1244
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,440
this that think that the world is a

1245
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,000
known and fixed quantity you are wrong

1246
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:14,480
you should have curiosity and we should

1247
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,200
be

1248
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:18,240
just

1249
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,760
it's interesting and it's explaining

1250
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,440
things to us that we didn't realize were

1251
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,880
possible

1252
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,960
well dan we've recorded this on saturday

1253
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,040
evening here in the uk it's jubilee

1254
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,560
weekend so lots of folks are out and

1255
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,880
about uh and working away um i

1256
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,319
appreciate your time dan because you've

1257
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,160
got another meeting going on later on

1258
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,000
this evening i'm going to get back in

1259
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,280
and spend a little bit of time with the

1260
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,599
family so we'll keep this one relatively

1261
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,680
short for us at 40 minutes thank you

1262
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,920
very much everyone for listening again i

1263
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,680
appreciate everyone who has even just

1264
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,680
had a look at the skies above a guide to

1265
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,480
ufo sightings in the uk and please if

1266
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:52,079
you want to check that out do pick up a

1267
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,200
copy pre-order a copy use

1268
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
hairblaster.com to pre-order that or any

1269
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,640
book seller you can find online that you

1270
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,640
you choose to would be much appreciated

1271
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,040
for yourself or for friends and family

1272
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,440
as a gift um very much look forward to

1273
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,880
seeing people with their copies when it

1274
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,640
comes out as well be pretty surreal but

1275
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,800
yeah dan thank you very much for your

1276
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,680
time

1277
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,119
thank you i'm just going to throw one

1278
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,040
more thing in here uh dr michael masters

1279
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,119
released his new book uh the extra

1280
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,880
tempestual model so if you're interested

1281
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,200
in a discussion on on time travelers and

1282
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,720
all the different forms that could take

1283
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,400
go pick that book up it's on it's a

1284
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,760
bookshop now

1285
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,680
i had already paused the recording done

1286
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,240
so that never picked up oh no fine no

1287
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,400
i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking

1288
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,160
i just like to leave it on a laugh right

1289
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,760
speak soon folks

1290
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,839
that is all for this week's show thank

1291
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,839
you very much for listening please

1292
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:41,839
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1293
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,480
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1294
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,800
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1295
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,720
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1296
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,880
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1297
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,400
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1298
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,880
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1299
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,599
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1300
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,839
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1301
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:02,640
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1302
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,839
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1303
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:08,000
and again folks as always keep looking

1304
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:10,950
up you never know what you might see

1305
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:39,450
is

1306
00:43:39,460 --> 00:44:18,710
[Music]

1307
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:26,450
because it doesn't really scare me

1308
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:34,870
[Music]

1309
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,770
she

1310
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:46,230
[Music]

1311
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,030
for being

1312
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:55,650
heart serious

1313
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,630
[Music]

1314
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:18,480
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1315
00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:20,680
saucer